Tuesday, August 26, 2008
fatwa+bride price+relationship observation
Did you hear of Mohammed Bello Abubakar. The guy from Niger state that made iternational headlines a few weeks ago?
He is married to 86 wives and has at least 170 kids.
I say this with awe and respect.
As far as I'm concerned, he's a living LEGEND.
How does he manage?
Not like I want to be like him, but, imagine sleeping with different women everyday without the need to show emotion or whatever.
I need to sit at his feet and learn.
Managing one woman, for me is as impossible as ever.
Now, guess what?
Some Nigerian moslem umbrella group - Jamatu Nasril Islam (JNI) has issued a fatwa on his head unless he repents within 3 days
In simple english, a fatwa is a death sentence.
Why would they want to do this to him?
What would happen to the scores of people he is responsible for?
What would happen to the 86 women who call him husband and the 170 kids that call him "papa"?
Now, I'm asking myself, of what business is this to me?
Igbo women are expensive to marry due to their dowry rates
a) False
b) True
c) Sometimes true but not always
d) Very very TRUE
For most Nigerians, the answer is d.
Wrong.
The real answer is c.
Let me clarify.
I'm from Anambra state.
The dowry rates here vary from N60 (50 cents) to N15,000 ($120) depending on the village.
And that's all you pay.
There is also a customary list of yam tubers, clothes, whisky etc.
That's fair enough, I think.
Its more ceremonial than necessary.
J, my fiancee or fiance (however that is pronounced/spelt) is from Abia state.
The dowry here is interesting. (That's understating it)
I will not go into details.
Suffice to say that it can break a guy's account.
Pray for me :)
Let me quickly add that no amount of money can pay or compensate for your wife to be.
Women
Why are some women quick to argue with their men over any issue?
After OluwaDee's advice "Do not argue with your husband in public"
Jinta added "may i qualify the 'best advice'? never argue with your husband. period. it sounds medieval, but you can get your point across without having to argue and men always respect, even fear, that"
Let me take the liberty to clarify this.
A relationship is not a competition for control or independence or free will or whatever.
Women can control their men very easily. Infact, too easily.
Honestly, its not something we are happy to admit to you.
The popular saying "There is a woman behind every successful man" rings too true.
If you marry the right man, he is a sucker for you.
He would do anything to please you. There is a caveat to this.
If you know how to get it out of him.
It is a very subtle method. Almost invisible to the naked eye, but it almost always works.
Confrontation never works.
If you do not know it, ask a woman who is happy and successful in her relationship.
A downright challenge in whatever way, is an affront to our oversized ego.
A throw down.
One that our sometimes senseless pride would not accept.
We would be forced to stamp our feet down and enforce our wishes.
It is our weakness and you know it.
Use it.
Thanks for your honeymoon recommendations from my last post, y'all.
However, I need specifics.
Down to the hotel to stay in, places to visit and things to do. Preferably from personal or second hand experiences.
Any suggestion outside Asia is welcome.
He is married to 86 wives and has at least 170 kids.
I say this with awe and respect.
As far as I'm concerned, he's a living LEGEND.
How does he manage?
Not like I want to be like him, but, imagine sleeping with different women everyday without the need to show emotion or whatever.
I need to sit at his feet and learn.
Managing one woman, for me is as impossible as ever.
Now, guess what?
Some Nigerian moslem umbrella group - Jamatu Nasril Islam (JNI) has issued a fatwa on his head unless he repents within 3 days
In simple english, a fatwa is a death sentence.
Why would they want to do this to him?
What would happen to the scores of people he is responsible for?
What would happen to the 86 women who call him husband and the 170 kids that call him "papa"?
Now, I'm asking myself, of what business is this to me?
Igbo women are expensive to marry due to their dowry rates
a) False
b) True
c) Sometimes true but not always
d) Very very TRUE
For most Nigerians, the answer is d.
Wrong.
The real answer is c.
Let me clarify.
I'm from Anambra state.
The dowry rates here vary from N60 (50 cents) to N15,000 ($120) depending on the village.
And that's all you pay.
There is also a customary list of yam tubers, clothes, whisky etc.
That's fair enough, I think.
Its more ceremonial than necessary.
J, my fiancee or fiance (however that is pronounced/spelt) is from Abia state.
The dowry here is interesting. (That's understating it)
I will not go into details.
Suffice to say that it can break a guy's account.
Pray for me :)
Let me quickly add that no amount of money can pay or compensate for your wife to be.
Women
Why are some women quick to argue with their men over any issue?
After OluwaDee's advice "Do not argue with your husband in public"
Jinta added "may i qualify the 'best advice'? never argue with your husband. period. it sounds medieval, but you can get your point across without having to argue and men always respect, even fear, that"
Let me take the liberty to clarify this.
A relationship is not a competition for control or independence or free will or whatever.
Women can control their men very easily. Infact, too easily.
Honestly, its not something we are happy to admit to you.
The popular saying "There is a woman behind every successful man" rings too true.
If you marry the right man, he is a sucker for you.
He would do anything to please you. There is a caveat to this.
If you know how to get it out of him.
It is a very subtle method. Almost invisible to the naked eye, but it almost always works.
Confrontation never works.
If you do not know it, ask a woman who is happy and successful in her relationship.
A downright challenge in whatever way, is an affront to our oversized ego.
A throw down.
One that our sometimes senseless pride would not accept.
We would be forced to stamp our feet down and enforce our wishes.
It is our weakness and you know it.
Use it.
Thanks for your honeymoon recommendations from my last post, y'all.
However, I need specifics.
Down to the hotel to stay in, places to visit and things to do. Preferably from personal or second hand experiences.
Any suggestion outside Asia is welcome.
40 comments:
Well, I guess I can claim second position.
*walks away slowly to go and read post*
*walks away slowly to go and read post*
86wives & 170 kids...hiss...irresponsibilty 2 the highest order. Re: the dowry u have 2 pay...remember if it doesn't break u it will make u.
About the dowry...so they do not have any sale going on? Ndo o. lol.
I love all the advice you have given on not confronting a man, and it does make a lot of sense. I'll be sure to put it to good use once Mr. Contagious and I get married. I bet you don't know who Mr. Contagious is, huh? Check my blog, Tobenna.
One more thing...can I come on this honeymoon too? I'll be your housegal please. I just want a darn vaccation.
I hope those extremists don't do anything stupid to that man. Killing does not make things better for anyone.
I love all the advice you have given on not confronting a man, and it does make a lot of sense. I'll be sure to put it to good use once Mr. Contagious and I get married. I bet you don't know who Mr. Contagious is, huh? Check my blog, Tobenna.
One more thing...can I come on this honeymoon too? I'll be your housegal please. I just want a darn vaccation.
I hope those extremists don't do anything stupid to that man. Killing does not make things better for anyone.
These days Igbo women are noit that expensive to marry. In fact most parents are now more enlightened and even return the brideprice to their in-laws.
I agree that a woman can get her way without argueing with her man. Same goes for men too. if a man knows how to pamper and pet his wife, he'll have her eating from his palms anytime.
I agree that a woman can get her way without argueing with her man. Same goes for men too. if a man knows how to pamper and pet his wife, he'll have her eating from his palms anytime.
Straight talking about getting the best out of your man...and true:-)
@ Aphrodite:'True about men to women too. I know Mr Strong certainly has a PHD in this subject:-)
death sentence?? lol
i think i wud go with d oo.. cos from what we hear.. there was my french teacher in sec school who said her sis had been married for 8 years but the husband was still paying off the 'list' given to him.. well as u wud guess she(my teacher) isnt still married..
happy married life.. paying dowry is small thing compared to how she's goin to contribute to ur life.. so u better start paying.. and dont frown while ure at it...lol just kidding.
i think i wud go with d oo.. cos from what we hear.. there was my french teacher in sec school who said her sis had been married for 8 years but the husband was still paying off the 'list' given to him.. well as u wud guess she(my teacher) isnt still married..
happy married life.. paying dowry is small thing compared to how she's goin to contribute to ur life.. so u better start paying.. and dont frown while ure at it...lol just kidding.
a woman has to understand her man and there will be peace between them.
that fatwa thing, i don't know what to say.
dowry varies from place to place.
don't worry about ur accounts, u have gotten the biggest prize u will cherish forever.
that fatwa thing, i don't know what to say.
dowry varies from place to place.
don't worry about ur accounts, u have gotten the biggest prize u will cherish forever.
so true, women control their men...sometimes its done in such a way that the men dont know they're ben controled.
i never heard of this mr bombastic...irresponsible, yes. but we have no right to piont fingers except he is unable to cater fit what he carries on his shoulders.
i know nothing about dowries, only that i've sworn to go down my roots, i must get the box of gold.lol
as for honeymoon...have you thought of spain? barcelona et co...or you could do a tour de europe or semi tour de europe(depending on your pocket and time), i'll get you details if you're interested.
i never heard of this mr bombastic...irresponsible, yes. but we have no right to piont fingers except he is unable to cater fit what he carries on his shoulders.
i know nothing about dowries, only that i've sworn to go down my roots, i must get the box of gold.lol
as for honeymoon...have you thought of spain? barcelona et co...or you could do a tour de europe or semi tour de europe(depending on your pocket and time), i'll get you details if you're interested.
totally agree with u. u dnt have to force it to have ur way.
as for the honeymoon details,like i said, obudu ranch is really quiet, just for sight seeing and all. there are nice hotels within the ranch. talking from experience.
Goodluck on ur wedding preparation.
as for the honeymoon details,like i said, obudu ranch is really quiet, just for sight seeing and all. there are nice hotels within the ranch. talking from experience.
Goodluck on ur wedding preparation.
I was rushing here to say first...
yeah...we know how to get our way, from damsel in distress to crying blondie....we know am...nothing alarms guys like tears...lol..wonder why..
*Any suggestion outside Asia is welcome* LOLLLLL...why does thou hatest Asia?
Ok, so yeah...I totally support not confronting one's spouse (male or female) in public. I have to say that it is very embarrassing when couples do it in front of me, so no matter how much I disagree with my fiance...errrmmm...I think I'm gonna refrain.
Thanks for the reminder...(I can't give honeymoon suggestions since I lack experience in that area). Lol...
XOXO...
Ok, so yeah...I totally support not confronting one's spouse (male or female) in public. I have to say that it is very embarrassing when couples do it in front of me, so no matter how much I disagree with my fiance...errrmmm...I think I'm gonna refrain.
Thanks for the reminder...(I can't give honeymoon suggestions since I lack experience in that area). Lol...
XOXO...
I think the "I told you so" phenomenon is the best medicine for a man's ego. Arguing is not befitting for a woman. (i don't mean to suggest that women are meant to submit to the men tho).
I suggest places in West Africa though, are you interested in those?
I suggest places in West Africa though, are you interested in those?
btw, how are you doing? lol. hope the plans are coming together very nicely.
'If you marry the right man, he is a sucker for you. . . Confrontation never works.'
I agree with you on this. I have been married for almost a decade now, so I know what I'm saying.
Just treat the man well and the every other thing will fall in place.
I agree with you on this. I have been married for almost a decade now, so I know what I'm saying.
Just treat the man well and the every other thing will fall in place.
hmmmm
as 4 d argue thing & how 2 control ur man, i must say dat MM seems like d opposite of d general male specie. i was going to do d whole no arguing thing until i noticed dat he hated being begged!! be all nice & sweet, & he suspects u of hidden agenda. come all out with blazing eyes, den he's calm! strange huh? even me i don tire. am marrying d weirdest man!
as 4 d argue thing & how 2 control ur man, i must say dat MM seems like d opposite of d general male specie. i was going to do d whole no arguing thing until i noticed dat he hated being begged!! be all nice & sweet, & he suspects u of hidden agenda. come all out with blazing eyes, den he's calm! strange huh? even me i don tire. am marrying d weirdest man!
am actually d one not 2 b argued with. chei. seriously am working on it, but e no dey work. d fastest way 2 get me 2 do something is 2 suggest it. if it remotely sounds like an order, lie lie.
Fatwa, that guy is strong oh and u want to learn, now on the bride price thingy, its kinda expensive any way u want to see it.
oh i thot the igbo dowry was also determined by how learned (is that the spelling) the lady is..so if she is a doctor the dowry u pay is more than if she is a WAEC holder?
i agree with u that a woman can easily run things...if she uses the right approach
i agree with u that a woman can easily run things...if she uses the right approach
yep successful marriages have a lot of one person being subtle...you cannot fight fire with fire...a little cool breeze does the trick. Have seen it done and i truly believe it.
dowry: hmmmm... any cultures where the bride's family has to pay dowry for the man?
def agree re subtlety... think goes both ways also... cannot imagine a man shouting at me in public, that's straight up silent world war 3, 4 & 5.
def agree re subtlety... think goes both ways also... cannot imagine a man shouting at me in public, that's straight up silent world war 3, 4 & 5.
'if u marry the right man, he is a sucker for u'
u are 100% correct there u know,
he will always listen....as in always cos he is a sucke for u,
u ve said it all dude, am also from Abia and i wonder wat kinda list u got to make u think so..lol
u are 100% correct there u know,
he will always listen....as in always cos he is a sucke for u,
u ve said it all dude, am also from Abia and i wonder wat kinda list u got to make u think so..lol
since j is from abia, maybe blogville can start an appeal fund for you. lol. hope she doesn't read your blog
your comments are bang on regarding women not confronting men - the world would be a happier place
your comments are bang on regarding women not confronting men - the world would be a happier place
thanx for the advice man, i more than i care to admit need that to sink in.
and yea, it should work both ways.
and yea, it should work both ways.
u no its hard not arguing at all, except a woman's lips are tied.
honeymoons....hmm what does your wifey want? i've always dreamt of seychelles island as the perfect honeymoon destination..sun, sand water and tranquility..
honeymoons....hmm what does your wifey want? i've always dreamt of seychelles island as the perfect honeymoon destination..sun, sand water and tranquility..
lol@the comments.
So Abia women are expensive?lol!
Ww women need to understand what stooping to conquer means, really!
Thanks. You know why.
So Abia women are expensive?lol!
Ww women need to understand what stooping to conquer means, really!
Thanks. You know why.
87 wives?170 kids?And Americans claim to be pimps.Ha!The guy needs to go on speaking tours.We'll have to see if UNESCO can declare him a walking,talking World Heritage Site:)
The answer to your question is c;obviously.Depends on the immediate family more than the area of origin,at least cash wise.When it comes to miscellaneous items(whisky,etc),you're dealing with the extended family and then all bets are off.I shall speak to the Big Guy on your behalf :)
And remember that it's usually not worth winning an argument with a woman.You win the battle,but you pay for it elsewhere:)
The answer to your question is c;obviously.Depends on the immediate family more than the area of origin,at least cash wise.When it comes to miscellaneous items(whisky,etc),you're dealing with the extended family and then all bets are off.I shall speak to the Big Guy on your behalf :)
And remember that it's usually not worth winning an argument with a woman.You win the battle,but you pay for it elsewhere:)
1. The only blog Tobenna never reciprocate by leaving comment is my blog. It's being confrimed. No argument.
2. I blogged about that 86-wives-man but you wont know cos my blog is chasing you (lol)
3. I wonder why some people believe women should be sold. Demanding too much money places a strain on a man, and he later thinks the woman is his property. I have seen this happen a lot. Dowry if it shd be paid at , should not be expensive. The dont pay dowry in my family. Anyways, in Indian they make the women pay dowry on thier husbands...
4. Hmmmm it's good for husband and wife to be polite to each other any where they are. Dont argue with your husband in public and husband pls dont argue with your wife in public... Why the emphasis on "public" sef? I think we should say treat each other with respect both publicly and privately.
5. This Shirak Tobenna is trying me o. I have read his comments on over 20 blogs and non on mine (fumming)
2. I blogged about that 86-wives-man but you wont know cos my blog is chasing you (lol)
3. I wonder why some people believe women should be sold. Demanding too much money places a strain on a man, and he later thinks the woman is his property. I have seen this happen a lot. Dowry if it shd be paid at , should not be expensive. The dont pay dowry in my family. Anyways, in Indian they make the women pay dowry on thier husbands...
4. Hmmmm it's good for husband and wife to be polite to each other any where they are. Dont argue with your husband in public and husband pls dont argue with your wife in public... Why the emphasis on "public" sef? I think we should say treat each other with respect both publicly and privately.
5. This Shirak Tobenna is trying me o. I have read his comments on over 20 blogs and non on mine (fumming)
i never have the strength to be confrontattional so subtlity always works fro me......
Fatwa guy-caught it on tv and his wives and kids seem happy about the situation-so them "women" should back off........
i once heard a dude say he was told his fiancee went to primary,secondary,university then became a lawyer so brideprice alone is 2 million naira-he still had to do **everything** else down to clothing his brides's parents...ridiculous i tell u........
bride price in my village is all of N2,000(8pounds) which u put in an envelope and it is returned to you cos their daughter is free.....
so for my people-the thought of a 15,000 brideprice IS expensive ...........
u only have to deal with **the list**which varies from family to family -town to town and you dare not omit anything in the list cos the babe is free.......
Fatwa guy-caught it on tv and his wives and kids seem happy about the situation-so them "women" should back off........
i once heard a dude say he was told his fiancee went to primary,secondary,university then became a lawyer so brideprice alone is 2 million naira-he still had to do **everything** else down to clothing his brides's parents...ridiculous i tell u........
bride price in my village is all of N2,000(8pounds) which u put in an envelope and it is returned to you cos their daughter is free.....
so for my people-the thought of a 15,000 brideprice IS expensive ...........
u only have to deal with **the list**which varies from family to family -town to town and you dare not omit anything in the list cos the babe is free.......
@Tobenna: Do you have a sister? If yes, someone will pay back the dowry to your family...
On the issue you captioned 'Women':
It's good to hear the constructive point being made by a man. Women do want to have their own way.
You said it right with "Women can control their men very easily. Infact, too easily..."
@Ms. Emmotions: please blog/write about how we can control our men easily... Tobenna only gave us a brief summary.
On the issue you captioned 'Women':
It's good to hear the constructive point being made by a man. Women do want to have their own way.
You said it right with "Women can control their men very easily. Infact, too easily..."
@Ms. Emmotions: please blog/write about how we can control our men easily... Tobenna only gave us a brief summary.
nonsense, is it by force to repent?
lol @d relationship stuff, jinta got it ryt, i'm learnin dat now, mehn its not worth d headache arguin wit ur man, wn dir r still ways of getn wat u want.
lol @d relationship stuff, jinta got it ryt, i'm learnin dat now, mehn its not worth d headache arguin wit ur man, wn dir r still ways of getn wat u want.
fatwa: y r dey issuing d fatwa. I thot moslems are allowed to marry more than one wife? Abi am i mistaken?
Igbo women dowry rates: ah I have heard so much gist about how expensive it is to marry girls from Anambra state o. Don't know how much of it is true sha.
About arguing with your spouse: Oluwadee and Jinta's advice are fantastic.
Igbo women dowry rates: ah I have heard so much gist about how expensive it is to marry girls from Anambra state o. Don't know how much of it is true sha.
About arguing with your spouse: Oluwadee and Jinta's advice are fantastic.
Yes, there is no need to argue with one's spouse. Simply paying attention to your mate can inform you on how to address him/her in a way that gets your point across and get exactly what you need. =)
And as per that bride price you must pay, Chineke God Almighty will get you through. Or we can start a blogville collection for you sha....
Take care.
And as per that bride price you must pay, Chineke God Almighty will get you through. Or we can start a blogville collection for you sha....
Take care.
Honeymoon suggestions:
1. Knysna South Africa
I stayed at the Pezula Hotel and Resort while i was there [not for honeymoon o]...but great hotel all the same
You can go on one of the several catamarans to the knysna lagoon and have dinner with the sunset right behnd u.
You can also visit the Kynsna Featherbed Nature Reserve. There u will get a priceless view of Kynsna also learn about a funny fish called Coelocanth
2. You cant go wrong with Mauritius...I recommend the Dinarobin Hotel. Fantastic place...beautiful beaches
1. Knysna South Africa
I stayed at the Pezula Hotel and Resort while i was there [not for honeymoon o]...but great hotel all the same
You can go on one of the several catamarans to the knysna lagoon and have dinner with the sunset right behnd u.
You can also visit the Kynsna Featherbed Nature Reserve. There u will get a priceless view of Kynsna also learn about a funny fish called Coelocanth
2. You cant go wrong with Mauritius...I recommend the Dinarobin Hotel. Fantastic place...beautiful beaches
i see caveat is like ur fav word..so im like stealing it!! thanks!..lol
mmmm i had no idea about the dowry sturvs...interesting...
mmmm i had no idea about the dowry sturvs...interesting...
tobenna:
for the bride price, it should be abolished totally, in any part of the world.
for the honeymoon, best in dark continent,Africa specifically, i can suggest Cape Point at The Cape of Good Hope...
Good Luck to both!
for the bride price, it should be abolished totally, in any part of the world.
for the honeymoon, best in dark continent,Africa specifically, i can suggest Cape Point at The Cape of Good Hope...
Good Luck to both!
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Eating white sesame seeds in the morning, take alfalfa juice mixed with carrot juice and lettuce or third cup of aloe vera juice every day are very good natural remedies.
Sometimes, this process starts from the temples
and goes back, and sometimes it begins from the top of the head.
Even though all the hair was thoroughly coated and it was always rinsed so well that
no traces were left, little by little the kids escaped our weekly ritual and I
found it easier to not chase them about it, especially considering the hundreds of other matters which
did need to be chased. * Lavender Oil — prevents further hair loss and improves the health and quality of the
hair.
Feel free to surf to my blog natural hair products
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Very true what you've said.
Getting my way is easy...most of the time;)
K